Handgrips of cartwheel mounts

joni1 started this discussion · 9/27/2009

So, I'm starting to attempt cartwheel mounts into straight edge and have been studing alot of vids. I noticed Redken71 teaches the cartwheel mount with a baseball grip with her upper hand in her tutorial But i also see alot of polers use twisted grip with the upper hand. What is the difference in the grip in reference to a better hold, safety and easibility ❓ What grip did you guys learn the cartwheel mount with ❓ Thanks, Joni

17 replies

Avast · 9/28/2009
Hey mate, i learnt first off with the baseball grip then went on to the twisted grip the twisted grip feels odd but it seems more secure i still perfure the baseball grip though as its easier to do more out of it. hope that helps.
EVamp83 · 9/28/2009
There are a few different kinds of handspring: - (back-kick) handspring or cartwheel mount: upper hand with the thumb up (baseball-like), lower hand with the thumb down. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLMyrylJ4_g&feature=channel_page and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTxwC6v14Pg&feature=channel_page - forward/front handspring: same hand-positioning as the cartwheel mount, but mounted not by kicking back, but by kicking forward/upward. Example: 1:33 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_whEbk6VWjE and - half handspring: basically the forward mounted handspring, but you hook the front foot and push out to (extended) butterfly. Example: 0:57 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uO5UkbAtLo&feature=channel_page - true grip or overhand grip handspring: the top hand is twisted once, hence the thumb is down. Example: 0:56 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_whEbk6VWjE - twisted grip handspring: the upper hand has the thumb up, but the wrist is twisted around. Example: 1:26 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEuqskTdlKs At least that's all the handsprings I know of! If anyone has additions, I'd love to know, 'cause I'm very into handsprings at the moment. 🤸 I'm working on a handspring vid that includes all these handsprings (or attempts thereof) 🙂 . I think where you start your handspring journey is very personal. I would not start with true grip and twisted grips though. Be by all means very careful with twisted grip; many injuries are caused by that move. Personally I started with half handspring and then cartwheel mount. So long story short, the twisted grip is an entirely different move. Definitely go with the 'baseball grip' upper hand! Best of luck! 🥂
deetron · 9/28/2009
ooh I have thought of another one for you E-Vamp83.. the forearm/elbow grip handspring! Here are examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRIXExiqIOI&feature=channel"; at at 0:23 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jf0jXksTns&feature=related";
RoxyPink · 9/28/2009
here is the order I learned them cartwheel mt w/ baseball grp half handspring handspring true grip cartwheel (still not consistent) forearm grip cartwheel twisted grip
EVamp83 · 9/28/2009
ooh I have thought of another one for you E-Vamp83.. the forearm/elbow grip handspring! Here are examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRIXExiqIOI&feature=channel onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" at at 0:23 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jf0jXksTns&feature=related onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" Oooooh, yeah, totally forgot about that one!! That's so awesome! Unfortunately I'm not ready yet for elbow grip. 🙁 So much to learn 😀 Ow, btw, the second one looked more like a flag mount to me. You know, like you do to get into brass monkey, but obviously with a back arch instead of hooking the inside leg.. I've watched it over and over, can't wait to try that!! 🤸
deetron · 9/28/2009
Next stop one-handed handspring!!! 😂 ..hmm do you think it's possible!? PS: please dont anybody injure themselves trying to prove that it is! 😲
Trena · 9/28/2009
Ive just learned the Cartwheel and was delighted with myself and now...AAAARGH, I really have so much work to do!!! 😂 Watch this video at 3:09!! Unique way of getting into Twisted Grip!!!!! ➡️ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xsc7g8CBiw (Wow would I have loved to be at that jam!!!)
joni1 · 9/29/2009
Thanks guys for all the great help,vids and advice. 😛 As I embark on my cartwheel mount journey, I know I have you girls as my backbone for support. Since I am comfortable and efficient in my front half handspring into extended butterfly, I think I will start there to try and flick both legs up using the baseball grip on my upper dominant hand. When I'm successful with that, I will attempt kick back cartwheel mount. I really want to get into a straight edge from any flick up mount. This is my ultimate challenging goal. I will finally consider my self a great poler if I accomplish this. I fell in love with poling the first time I ever saw someone pole dancing at a club doing this move. It has taken me 2 years to actually get to the point of even thinking I could actually do this. 🥂 I got the superman and the superman fall in 3 days which gave me the confidence to think that I may be able to get the cartwheel into straight edge. THANKS AGAIN EVERYONE. 🫡 Wish me luck but please don't say break a leg. 🤸
deetron · 9/29/2009
Best of luck!! Break a... record!!! 😂
Trena · 9/29/2009
I know it has little to do with the handgrips part of this thread but thought you gals might like this video! 😀 ➡️ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0mGRf5PKoU&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
joni1 · 11/24/2009
Hi everyone. So ,I finally got the cartwheel mount which was my ultimate pole goal. 2 1/2 YEARS AGO WHEN i first saw this move , my jaw dropped. I NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS BACK THEN THOUGHT THAT I WOULD BE DOING THIS ONE DAY. So 3 weeks ago I started practicing this split grip baseball hold, kicking my inner leg forward then back. I was so frustrated 😈 as my outside leg kept dragging my legs back down ,but I kept at it. The 2nd week I managed to hook my inner leg and just practicing to balance in the straight edge. The 3rd week I GOT IT. 🥂 🤸 🫡 I was in shock 😲 I dropped down on my knees and cried for joy. I'M STILL IN SHOCK. Last sat night at a dance club with poles, I attempted this move up on stage and got it with the first kick and held my straight edge for 10 sec. 🥂 🤸 🫡 All my friend's jaws dropped and the crowed roared. It was my proudest moment. 👸 I''m going to vid tape it and post soon. Thanks to all for the great advice and good wishes.Now I'm off to learn the front handspring mount. Any advice ❓ Joni
deetron · 11/24/2009
Well done well done!! Its a great feeling isnt it?! 🤸
Trena · 11/24/2009
Wuhoo!!!!!!!!! 🥂 🥂 Well done joni1! Just goes to show that hard work & dedication really DOES pay off!!! Congrats xx 😀
Sassafrassle · 11/24/2009
Yay you! And your original problem is exactly what I'm struggling with currently so it's great to hear that it's not an insurmountable problem!!
joni1 · 11/26/2009
Yay you! And your original problem is exactly what I'm struggling with currently so it's great to hear that it's not an insurmountable problem!! Hi Sassafrassle, What really helped me was putting all energy and power into that inner leg forward kick to give me enough momentum to get that leg kicked back and straight up,then the outside leg finally followed. Once both legs are up, look up at your feet and contract your abdomen and legs. This help me so much with balancing. And concentrate on making sure your bottom hand is straight pushing you away and top hand slightly bent pulling you into the pole and really lowering your head. Landmark your body position by top arm elbow to hip/pelvic bone. Try hooking your inner leg first and practice balancing into the straight edge. I had left Trena a comment on a vid she did with a beautiful cartwheel mount that I was so jealous of her cartwheel mount. She replied ''Don't worry joni, You'll get it''. So from one determined great poler to the next, Don't worry Sassafrassle, You'll get it. 🫡 I wouldn't be a bit surprise if you post a vid of yourself doing the CM soon. I just posted my CM and ayasha vid last night.
Trena · 11/27/2009
joni, you are SO sweet!!!!! 😀 And I knew you could do it!!! 🥂 I'll go check out your video now! Havent had much time to look at vids for the last couple of weeks but I gotta check your CM out!!! 😀 xxx
Sassafrassle · 11/27/2009
Thanks so much for the motivation Joni:) As soon as I've got my next show out of the way, I'm going to go hard core on praticising the cartwheel again and will let you know how that goes 😬